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New York real estate scion Robert Durst, 78, answers questions from defense attorney Dick DeGuerin, left, while testifying in his murder trial at the Inglewood Courthouse on Monday, Aug. 9, 2021, in Inglewood, Calif. Durst is charged with the 2000 murder of Susan Berman inside her Benedict Canyon home. He testified Monday that he did not kill his best friend Berman. (Gary Coronado / Los Angeles Times via AP, Pool)

LOS ANGELES ā€“ A prosecutor attempted to ensnare Robert Durst in a web of deceit Tuesday after he admitted at his murder trial that he lied under oath in the past and would lie to get out of trouble.

The New York real estate heir said he hadn't lied during five days of testimony, but a series of inconsistencies during cross-examination in Los Angeles County Superior Court threw his credibility into question and exposed the risk of putting a defendant on the witness stand.

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Deputy District Attorney John Lewin, who relished the prospect of grilling Durst and prepared a 200-page outline for questioning, got him to acknowledge there are some acts he would never be honest about.

Lewin asked how jurors were supposed to believe Durst.

ā€œIf youā€™ve said youā€™ve taken an oath to tell the truth but youā€™ve also just told us that you would lie if you needed to,ā€ Lewin asked, ā€œcan you tell me how that would not destroy your credibility?ā€

ā€œBecause what Iā€™m saying is mostly the truth,ā€ Durst said. ā€œThere are certain things I would lie about, certain very important things.ā€

Durst said he would never admit killing Susan Berman ā€” even if he had done so.

ā€œ'Did you kill Susan Berman?' is strictly a hypothetical,ā€ Durst said. ā€œI did not kill Susan Berman. But if I had, I would lie about it.ā€

Durst, 78, has pleaded not guilty to murder in the point-blank shooting of Berman, his longtime confidante, in her Los Angeles home. Durst said he found a lifeless Berman lying on a bedroom floor when he showed up for a planned visit just before Christmas 2000.

Durst said he had prepared for Lewinā€™s interrogation but was anxious.

ā€œI feel relieved that Iā€™m close to getting this over, and Iā€™m nervous, of course,ā€ Durst told Lewin. ā€œWhat I want today is to be acquitted.ā€

Playing clips of interviews Durst gave filmmakers, an interrogation conducted after Durst's arrest in New Orleans in 2015, and clips from his testimony, Lewin got Durst to admit several lies he told over the years.

Prosecutors say Durst silenced Berman as she prepared to speak with New York authorities about the disappearance of his wife, Kathie, in 1982 and how she provided a false alibi for him.

Durst acknowledged he wouldnā€™t admit killing Kathie Durst if he had. And he wouldnā€™t admit murdering his neighbor Morris Black in Galveston, Texas, in 2001 if he had done so.

He has never been charged with a crime in his wifeā€™s disappearance and has denied killing her. Her body has never been found, but she has been declared dead.

Durst was acquitted of murder in Blackā€™s death after he testified he fatally shot the man during a struggle for a gun. He was convicted of destroying evidence for chopping up the manā€™s body and tossing it out to sea.

Testifying at trial is incredibly risky for a defendant, and most lawyers won't put their clients on the stand. Durst's testimony Tuesday showed he was particularly vulnerable because of a trail of lies.

ā€œYou donā€™t just make up lies for the sake of lying,ā€ Lewin said. ā€œYou lie in particular when there is a reason for you to lie. And, generally speaking in this context, when it relates to incriminating evidence, correct?ā€

Durst agreed.

In questions from his own lawyer Monday, Durst admitted for the first time publicly that he sent a note directing police to Bermanā€™s ā€œcadaver.ā€ He said he had always denied doing so because it made him look culpable.

Durst testified earlier Tuesday that he had not confessed to any killings when he was captured speaking to himself on a live microphone after filming a documentary about his life and the deaths of people close to him.

In the climactic scene of ā€œThe Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst,ā€ he could be heard in a bathroom muttering: "What the hell did I do? Killed them all, of course.ā€

Durst, who had just been caught on video in a lie about the ā€œcadaverā€ note, explained that he either didnā€™t say everything he was thinking or didnā€™t speak loudly enough for the mic to catch it.

ā€œWhat I did not say out loud or, perhaps I said very softly, is: ā€˜Theyā€™ll all think I killed them all, of course,' ā€ he testified.

Many viewers have interpreted the two sentences, which were edited together by the filmmakers for a dramatic conclusion to the six-part HBO series, as an admission.

Authorities arrested Durst the night before the finale aired in March 2015 because they expected him to flee after the gotcha moment and the unexpected dialogue that followed.

Durst testified that he had been planning to kill himself with a gun when FBI agents apprehended him in the lobby of a New Orleans hotel, where he was registered under an alias.

He told filmmakers that only the killer could have written the cadaver note. His comments off camera came after he was confronted during his final interview for ā€œThe Jinx" with a note he had once sent Berman with nearly identical handwriting and Beverly Hills misspelled ā€œBeverley.ā€

ā€œI wrote this one, but I did not write the cadaver one,ā€ Durst insisted in the film. But moments later, he couldnā€™t tell the two apart. After an awkward moment blinking and burping, he put his head in his hands. He denied being the killer.

When he stepped off camera ā€” unwittingly still wired for sound ā€” he said: ā€œThere it is. You're caught.ā€

Durst testified that he reached out to the filmmakers to restore his reputation after becoming a pariah following the Texas case.

Despite being a multimillionaire, he was rejected by condominium associations in New York, Houston and California, he said. The Los Angeles County Museum of Art wanted him to make a donation anonymously.

Despite advice from his lawyers and ā€œeverybodyā€ not to give a series of interviews for the film project, Durst ignored them all.

ā€œThat was very, very, very big mistake,ā€ Durst testified.


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